The Wanderer wrote:I've been following Marnie's experiments, but I think she's got it wrong ... to much guessing for my liking.
When you're attacked (ie you're defending) your 501WAC is different from when you're the attacker, but they're NOT used together. When you attack someone it's your 501WAC (attacking team) against their 501 WAC (defending team), and when they attack you it's the other way around. Only the WAC on view in the fight screen are used to determine the outcome.
I'm fairly sure (about 98% sure) that attack and defence skill points are just added together.
I always said that 2 were the Hypothesis:
1. The one stated in Manuel script.
2. WAC * (ATT+DEF)
David, your idea is still COMBAT STRENGTH = 501 * (ATT+DEF) + EQUIP ATT + EQUIP DEF ?
LET'S TEST IT...
Your Mafia of 501 fought against Don Roberto Luciano with 5 AR-15 Assault Rifles, 36 Napalms, 81 Cupid's Tommy Guns, 127 Sub Machine Guns, 7 Bookie's Holdout Pistols, 245 Mini Uzis, a Federal Agent, 25 Bodyguards, 32 Gas Masks, 40 Night Vision Goggles, 403 Body Armors, 4 Humvees, 7 Porsche 911s, 11 Harley Davidson "Fat Boy" Motorcycles, 36 Armored Cars, a Private Jet, 439 Towncars, a Stolen Mail Truck, and 2 Luxury Yachts.
Don Roberto Luciano's Mafia of 501 fought with 49 Sub Machine Guns, 64 Cupid's Tommy Guns, 50 Mini Uzis, 52 Police Batons, 19 Meat Cleavers, 15 AK-47s, 83 Poison Gas Grenades, 100 Bonus weapons, 69 Chain Guns, 2 Federal Agents, 42 Bodyguards, 20 Gas Masks, 37 Night Vision Goggles, 100 Body Armors, 100 Bullet Proof Vests, 26 Stab-Proof Vests, 3 Falsified Documents, 5 Lucky Shamrock Medallions, 14 Humvees, 16 Porsche 911s, 17 Harley Davidson "Fat Boy" Motorcycles, 38 Armored Cars, 10 Luxury Yachts, 10 Towncars, 12 Getaway Cruisers, 28 Prop planes, 20 Armored Sedans, 3 Sedans, 39 Armored Trucks, 5 Delivery Trucks, 5 Motorcycles, and 2 Speed Boats.
You WON the fight, taking 14 damage and dealing 26 damage to your enemy. You gained $336 and 3 experience points.
Combat Calculator
Attacker: You, Level 125
Attack: 300 Defence: 300
Mafia size: 501
5 AR-15 Assault Rifles [32,10]
36 Napalms [25,9]
81 Cupid\'s Tommy Guns [24,22]
127 Sub Machine Guns [24,22]
7 Bookie\'s Holdout Pistols [24,12]
245 Mini Uzis [23,22]
1 Federal Agent [15,25]
25 Bodyguards [8,25]
32 Gas Masks [8,20]
40 Night Vision Goggles [5,16]
403 Body Armors [4,7]
4 Humvees [26,22]
7 Porsche 911s [20,14]
11 Harley Davidson \"Fat Boy\" Motorcycles [18,6]
36 Armored Cars [14,15]
1 Private Jet [12,38]
439 Towncars [10,12]
1 Stolen Mail Truck [10,20]
2 Luxury Yachts [10,20]
Equipment:
Weapons: 501 Armor: 501 Vehicles 501
Equipment Strength: 40849
Defender: Don Roberto Luciano
Attack: ??? Defence: ???
Mafia size: 501
49 Sub Machine Guns [24,22]
64 Cupid\'s Tommy Guns [24,22]
50 Mini Uzis [23,22]
52 Police Batons [23,22]
19 Meat Cleavers [22,21]
15 AK-47s [22,21]
83 Poison Gas Grenades [22,26]
100 Bonus weapons [20,20]
69 Chain Guns [16,14]
2 Federal Agents [15,25]
42 Bodyguards [8,25]
20 Gas Masks [8,20]
37 Night Vision Goggles [5,16]
100 Body Armors [4,7]
100 Bullet Proof Vests [2,4]
26 Stab-Proof Vests [2,5]
3 Falsified Documents [2,30]
5 Lucky Shamrock Medallions [1,7]
14 Humvees [26,22]
16 Porsche 911s [20,14]
17 Harley Davidson \"Fat Boy\" Motorcycles [18,6]
38 Armored Cars [14,15]
10 Luxury Yachts [10,20]
10 Towncars [10,12]
12 Getaway Cruisers [6,7]
28 Prop planes [5,20]
20 Armored Sedans [4,6]
3 Sedans [4,5]
39 Armored Trucks [8,4]
5 Delivery Trucks [3,3]
5 Motorcycles [2,2]
2 Speed Boats [0,0] ?
Equipment:
Weapons: 501 Armor: 335 Vehicles 219
Equipment Strength: 30972
540
You WON the fight!
Combat Analysis ...
COMBAT SCORE
Combat Score is a value ranging from 1 to 2500+ that reflects the strength of your Mafia in a fight against another player. The value is calculated using your Attack/Defence stats, your Mafia Size and the Equipment (weapons, armor and vehicles) that you take into a fight. Compare your score with friends to see who is the strongest!
Combat Score (You) = 584
Combat Score (Opponent) = ???
We can conclude that Don Roberto Luciano has a Combat Score less or equal to 584.
In David's formula, if Don Roberto Luciano had 310 attack and 310 defense, He would have won. Doesn't make sense with that ridiculous equipment.
Manuel's Formula:
Your Mafia of 501 fought against Don Roberto Luciano with 5 AR-15 Assault Rifles, 36 Napalms, 81 Cupid's Tommy Guns, 127 Sub Machine Guns, 7 Bookie's Holdout Pistols, 245 Mini Uzis, a Federal Agent, 25 Bodyguards, 32 Gas Masks, 40 Night Vision Goggles, 403 Body Armors, 4 Humvees, 7 Porsche 911s, 11 Harley Davidson "Fat Boy" Motorcycles, 36 Armored Cars, a Private Jet, 439 Towncars, a Stolen Mail Truck, and 2 Luxury Yachts.
Don Roberto Luciano's Mafia of 501 fought with 49 Sub Machine Guns, 64 Cupid's Tommy Guns, 50 Mini Uzis, 52 Police Batons, 19 Meat Cleavers, 15 AK-47s, 83 Poison Gas Grenades, 100 Bonus weapons, 69 Chain Guns, 2 Federal Agents, 42 Bodyguards, 20 Gas Masks, 37 Night Vision Goggles, 100 Body Armors, 100 Bullet Proof Vests, 26 Stab-Proof Vests, 3 Falsified Documents, 5 Lucky Shamrock Medallions, 14 Humvees, 16 Porsche 911s, 17 Harley Davidson "Fat Boy" Motorcycles, 38 Armored Cars, 10 Luxury Yachts, 10 Towncars, 12 Getaway Cruisers, 28 Prop planes, 20 Armored Sedans, 3 Sedans, 39 Armored Trucks, 5 Delivery Trucks, 5 Motorcycles, and 2 Speed Boats.
You WON the fight, taking 14 damage and dealing 26 damage to your enemy. You gained $336 and 3 experience points.
All the weapons, armors and vehicles your mafia of 501 brought to the fight together have attacking stats of 19516 and defending stats of 21333.
Multiplied with your corresponding skills you hit Don Roberto Luciano with a total of 5854800 (= 300 * 19516) attack and 6399900 (= 300 * 21333) defense, together: 12254700 points.
As you won the fight your enemy (who brought a total of 16655 defense and 14320 attack) could probably have any pair of attack/defending skills, where his overall value would be less than your total.
If his attacking stats were 10, he could have up to 727 defense. If his defending stats were 10, he could have up to 844 attack.
Detailed calculations below:
160 come from 5 AR-15 Assault Rifle (32 attack each)
900 come from 36 Napalm (25 attack each)
1944 come from 81 Cupid Tommy Gun (24 attack each)
3048 come from 127 Sub Machine Gun (24 attack each)
168 come from 7 Holdout Pistol (24 attack each)
5635 come from 245 Mini Uzi (23 attack each)
15 come from 1 Federal Agent (15 attack each)
200 come from 25 Bodyguard (8 attack each)
256 come from 32 Gas Mask (8 attack each)
200 come from 40 Night Vision Goggle (5 attack each)
1612 come from 403 Body Armor (4 attack each)
104 come from 4 Humvee (26 attack each)
140 come from 7 Porsche 911 (20 attack each)
198 come from 11 Harley Davidson Motorcycle (18 attack each)
504 come from 36 Armored Car (14 attack each)
12 come from 1 Private Jet (12 attack each)
4390 come from 439 Towncar (10 attack each)
10 come from 1 Stolen Mail Truck (10 attack each)
20 come from 2 Luxury Yacht (10 attack each)
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19516 attack from all of it together
50 come from 5 AR-15 Assault Rifle (10 defense each)
324 come from 36 Napalm (9 defense each)
1782 come from 81 Cupid Tommy Gun (22 defense each)
2794 come from 127 Sub Machine Gun (22 defense each)
84 come from 7 Holdout Pistol (12 defense each)
5390 come from 245 Mini Uzi (22 defense each)
25 come from 1 Federal Agent (25 defense each)
625 come from 25 Bodyguard (25 defense each)
640 come from 32 Gas Mask (20 defense each)
640 come from 40 Night Vision Goggle (16 defense each)
2821 come from 403 Body Armor (7 defense each)
88 come from 4 Humvee (22 defense each)
98 come from 7 Porsche 911 (14 defense each)
66 come from 11 Harley Davidson Motorcycle (6 defense each)
540 come from 36 Armored Car (15 defense each)
38 come from 1 Private Jet (38 defense each)
5268 come from 439 Towncar (12 defense each)
20 come from 1 Stolen Mail Truck (20 defense each)
40 come from 2 Luxury Yacht (20 defense each)
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21333 defense from all of it together
1078 come from 49 Sub Machine Gun (22 defense each)
1408 come from 64 Cupid Tommy Gun (22 defense each)
1100 come from 50 Mini Uzi (22 defense each)
1144 come from 52 Police Baton (22 defense each)
399 come from 19 Meat Cleaver (21 defense each)
315 come from 15 AK-47 (21 defense each)
2158 come from 83 Poison Gas Grenade (26 defense each)
2000 come from 100 Bonus weapon (20 defense each)
966 come from 69 Chain Gun (14 defense each)
50 come from 2 Federal Agent (25 defense each)
1050 come from 42 Bodyguard (25 defense each)
400 come from 20 Gas Mask (20 defense each)
592 come from 37 Night Vision Goggle (16 defense each)
700 come from 100 Body Armor (7 defense each)
400 come from 100 Bullet Proof Vest (4 defense each)
130 come from 26 Stab-Proof Vest (5 defense each)
90 come from 3 Falsified Document (30 defense each)
35 come from 5 Lucky Shamrock Medallion (7 defense each)
308 come from 14 Humvee (22 defense each)
224 come from 16 Porsche 911 (14 defense each)
102 come from 17 Harley Davidson Motorcycle (6 defense each)
570 come from 38 Armored Car (15 defense each)
200 come from 10 Luxury Yacht (20 defense each)
120 come from 10 Towncar (12 defense each)
84 come from 12 Getaway Cruiser (7 defense each)
560 come from 28 Prop plane (20 defense each)
120 come from 20 Armored Sedan (6 defense each)
15 come from 3 Sedan (5 defense each)
312 come from 39 Armored Truck (8 defense each)
15 come from 5 Delivery Truck (3 defense each)
10 come from 5 Motorcycle (2 defense each)
0 come from 2 Speed Boat (0 defense each)
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16655 defense from all of it together
1176 come from 49 Sub Machine Gun (24 attack each)
1536 come from 64 Cupid Tommy Gun (24 attack each)
1150 come from 50 Mini Uzi (23 attack each)
1196 come from 52 Police Baton (23 attack each)
418 come from 19 Meat Cleaver (22 attack each)
330 come from 15 AK-47 (22 attack each)
1826 come from 83 Poison Gas Grenade (22 attack each)
2000 come from 100 Bonus weapon (20 attack each)
1104 come from 69 Chain Gun (16 attack each)
30 come from 2 Federal Agent (15 attack each)
336 come from 42 Bodyguard (8 attack each)
160 come from 20 Gas Mask (8 attack each)
185 come from 37 Night Vision Goggle (5 attack each)
400 come from 100 Body Armor (4 attack each)
200 come from 100 Bullet Proof Vest (2 attack each)
52 come from 26 Stab-Proof Vest (2 attack each)
9 come from 3 Falsified Document (3 attack each)
5 come from 5 Lucky Shamrock Medallion (1 attack each)
364 come from 14 Humvee (26 attack each)
320 come from 16 Porsche 911 (20 attack each)
306 come from 17 Harley Davidson Motorcycle (18 attack each)
532 come from 38 Armored Car (14 attack each)
100 come from 10 Luxury Yacht (10 attack each)
100 come from 10 Towncar (10 attack each)
72 come from 12 Getaway Cruiser (6 attack each)
140 come from 28 Prop plane (5 attack each)
80 come from 20 Armored Sedan (4 attack each)
12 come from 3 Sedan (4 attack each)
156 come from 39 Armored Truck (4 attack each)
15 come from 5 Delivery Truck (3 attack each)
10 come from 5 Motorcycle (2 attack each)
0 come from 2 Speed Boat (0 attack each)
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14320 attack from all of it together
With his equipment he need at least 100 skill points more both in attack and defense.
Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 10:02 am